Showing posts with label ebay. Show all posts
Showing posts with label ebay. Show all posts

Monday, November 01, 2010

Are we ready for spotcloud yet?

Launched today by Enomaly (@ruv) Spotcloud is a "Cloud Capacity Clearinghouse and Marketplace". There was a lot of discussion on twitter about whether this is really new, and previous attempts to do something similar.

My background in this is that I was working at Sun in 2003/2004 when we were thinking about a marketplace for public grid computing capacity, I was chief architect for Shahin Khan's High Performance Technical Computing group at the time, and we "owned" Grid for Sun. We were both RIFd in the summer of 2004, but some of our projects stayed alive, and @ruv mentioned some of these ideas from Sun surfacing in 2005.

I moved to eBay, and one idea that I tried to get eBay interested in at the time was building a marketplace for compute capacity. The problem was that eBay is a retail product focused company, and had no product managers looking at digitally delivered products. I couldn't find a marketplace manager who understood what I was proposing and thought it might be worth working on. In practice, it was too early, but Amazon had the vision to build a cloud at this time, and eBay could have done the same if it wanted to create a market, rather than make existing markets more efficient.

In 2006 (while I was working at eBay Research Labs) I wrote a blog post about a maturity model for innovation. The key point is:

"the evolution of a marketplace goes from competing on the basis of technology, to competing on service, to competing as a utility, to competing for free. In each step of the evolution, competitors shake out over time and a dominant brand emerges.

To use this as a maturity model, take a market and figure out whether the primary competition is on the basis of technology, service, utility or search"
Today the cloud marketplace is somewhere between the service and utility phases. Each individual cloud has their own specific services and service interfaces, and they have not turned into a standard commodity yet, so we do not have the basis for competition purely on the basis of a Utility (i.e. on service quality - uptime, not on service features).

From this point of view, it is still too early for Spotcloud to take off. Cloud's problem is not "finding generic capacity at low cost" (the cloud utility search problem), the cloud marketplace is still evolving it's differentiated service interfaces towards a common set of functionality and standards. Spotcloud is starting out based on Enomaly's interfaces, and say they will add others, while the market leader is Amazon, who have already implemented their own spot pricing model.

One thing I did learn at eBay, is how hard it is to manage marketplaces. One unfortunate measure of success is that it attracts people whose aim is to make money by manipulating the market rather than contributing to it. There are a lot of non-intuitive details that you have to get right for a marketplace to scale and be robust enough to build and maintain trust, while also having very low "friction" so that it attracts and retains buyers and sellers.

So one way to tell that the marketplace for cloud capacity is viable is when you see eBay entering that marketplace :-)



Thursday, March 27, 2008

Patents on Peer to Peer Trading Platform

While working at eBay Research Labs I did some work using Skype that resulted in four patents in the area of P2P trading and reputation systems. I just noticed that they are now public, as of late 2007, and here they are:

Peer-to-peer trading platform

Peer-to-peer trading platform with relative reputation-based item search and buddy rating

Peer-to-peer trading platform with search caching

Peer-to-peer trading platform with roles-based transactions

The seed of the idea came from my good friend Josep Ferrandiz, who still works at PayPal. The ideas were developed with help from Zahid Ahmed who is now working for EMC, and with a lot of help from Neel Sundaresan who manages eBay Research labs. The patents are in all of our names.

I think we came up with some cool ideas, we also stress tested the Skype API's in some novel ways and got some things fixed. The lasting legacy of this work is more robust application to application messaging API's and improvements in Skype4Java.

Monday, July 16, 2007

Global Classified Ads - Kijiji

eBay recently took the final step with their Kijiji classified advertising brand of launching it in the USA. There has been quite a lot of commentary, most of it fails to point out what matters about Kijiji. eBay also holds a small stake in Craigslist, which also has sites around the world, but there is one very significant difference that no-one seems to have commented on:

Go to http://rome.craigslist.org - there are a handful of entries, but the most important thing is that the site is still in English. Check out http://paris.craigslist.org - same thing.

Now try http://roma.kijiji.it and http://paris.kijiji.fr - notice the difference? Its localized and there are a decent number of items listed. Now see how many times you can figure out http://[city].kijiji.[country] (remember to use the local name) and see just how many cities and languages there are. Remember to try http://shanghai.kijiji.cn too... There are also a few countries where eBay bought a local brand - http://www.gumtree.com for the UK, and http://www.loquo.com for Spain.

So its clear that eBay has spent the last few years building up a global localized classified advertising business that has wide coverage and a lot of listings. They have had English-speaking Canada for a while (they also have French Canadian), so adding the USA must have been a small amount of extra work and cost, and there was a well crafted and debugged product ready to roll.

It may take a while to catch on in the USA, but its not likely to go away. Its free for the users, and can generate revenue by using services like banner ads and Google Adsense to monetize the page views. Kijiji is already doing quite nicely in my opinion....

[Disclosure: I used to work for eBay, I know some of the people who created Kijiji, but I have had nothing to do with Kijiji since it launched in 2005, and this is all public information]

Friday, May 04, 2007

Netflix and Silverlight and Joost

Very interesting demo of Microsoft Silverlight as a Netflix application from MIX07.

This seems like a nice, high performance multiplatform way to build web based user interfaces. It should give Flash some competition...

I'm handing back eBay's Dell D600 with Windows XP and getting a MacBook when I start at Netflix, it will be nice to have XP running only when I need it, and when the Silverlight version of Netflix web video ships, it will support Mac.

Joost has also released a new beta build, however I don't have a machine I can run it on during this transition. They don't support my old PowerBook G4 yet....

Friday, April 27, 2007

Leaving eBay to join Netflix

I recently gave notice to eBay and start at Netflix on May 7th. I've had a lot of fun working at eBay Research Labs, but I'm making a strategic move to a smaller company (about a tenth of the number of people as a technology organization) which makes it easier to take a broader role and develop skills and experience in new areas. I will be directing a few senior engineers who develop part of the Netflix web site as my primary role. Its an exciting new challenge!